16. The history and value of utopian thinking, part 4: the Western philosophical tradition (Plato)

Greg and Mike discuss the utopian ideas of Plato’s Republic, challenging the commonly held notion that he was speaking primarily about morality and instead reading him as a social theorist. Then, building off the centrality of education in Plato’s utopia, they start to imagine what education in a fairer society than our own might look like.

15. The history and value of utopian thinking, part 3: socialist values and culture in the Bible

Greg and Mike explore how the Bible expresses utopian ideals, particularly around class and class society, and reflects ongoing ideological dilemmas the left today still has to face. Then, they look at real historical examples of people using religion for social change, and weigh the difficult question of two different historical times: the slow time of individual transformation, and the sometimes very rapid time of social and political transformation.