Greg and Mike talk (political, social, economic) revolution: what it is, when it’s necessary, how it’s represented, and what history has to teach us. Then, they turn to the present—the revolutions, or lack thereof, that we’re facing, and the challenges that incipient revolutionaries face in current conditions.
Greg and Mike discuss the utopian ideas of Plato’s Republic, challenging the commonly held notion that he was speaking primarily about morality and instead reading him as a social theorist. Then, building off the centrality of education in Plato’s utopia, they start to imagine what education in a fairer society than our own might look like.
Greg and Mike continue the discussion of political utopias by explaining how concepts of human nature—the idea that human potential is limited by certain fixed properties, whatever they may be—limits political thinking both in the past and present. Then, Greg and Mike debate how limitlessly we should be thinking of our political potential—if there is a balance to be struck between who we are and who we could be.